1. I would like to know the performance (PERF) rating for a stock stiletto 27 foot. 2. Is ther an effective outhaul system for the jib leads when going off the wind. Is it worthwhile? 3. When is the next stiletto national regatta. I am willing to crew and have 25 years of catamaran sailing experience and two years on a Stiletto. I do not want to trailer my boat from Ontario to Florida to race. 4. I am interested in an auto pilot, what is the best one to use on the 27 foot Stiletto?
Archie Kerr <<a href="mailto:aakerr@attglobal.net">aakerr@attglobal.net> Sarnia, On Canada Thu Mar 16 211756 2000
I do make my own parts but 99% of the time I can buy from Ron cheaper than what I can make them for.With the 10% off on canopies I just ordered a pair for my 27.Ron is the best person to talk to when you need advise or any info. on the Stiletto.Thanks Cliff
Cliff White <<a href="mailto:twohulls@gte.net">twohulls@gte.net> Cattaraugus, ny USA Thu Mar 16 180135 2000
Okay, enough of these negative waves. Ron pointed out quite clearly that you can make parts for your own boat without infringing. You just cannot sell parts for profit. How fair do you want the man to be. His only source of income is from us. If the roles were reversed what would you do? Be thankful we have a parts supplier, the boating industry is littered with bankrupt companies and unsupported boats. Hold your heads up high, we have 20+ year old boats, most of which are in as good or better shape than when they left the factory. Think of your Stiletto like a classic car, try getting a NEW windshield for under $1000. The Factory cares, Ron & Andy care. Nuff said, Felin PS Deep South is coming in April, Any one interested and need a place to crash let me know.
Felin Thorn <<a href="mailto:gtaebr@aol.com">gtaebr@aol.com> Baton Rouge, LA USA Thu Mar 16 163915 2000
Ron- Not to burst your canopy (which is already cracked as you yourself admitted that they need periodical replacement), BUT I just happen to be in a position where I can do a patent and trademark search. You are correct in saying that you have a trademark, but you do not have a patent. If I am wrong in that statement could you please provide me with the U.S. patent number, NOT just the trademark number. As a catamaran sailing M.I.T. grad with several patents under my belt, I find some of what you say suspect. If you really had a patent, why would you tell Cliff to make his own parts? Do you plan on beginning litigation procedings against him as soon as he does? You seem very concerned about keeping your customers happy. How many of them have written about canopy problems? Is it just possible that there may be a better way?
bill <<a href="mailto:tjproduce@yahoo.com">tjproduce@yahoo.com> erie, pa USA Thu Mar 16 143702 2000
How does the Stiletto 27 perform in light air? I just spoke with a club member who says that local conditions do not favor a multihull. He used to sail a Seawind 24 on the lake. He now sails an S2 7.9.
Logic says that an easily driven hull should do well in light air. Was it the 24 that tainted his thinking? How does it compare to a Stiletto 27?
peter c king <<a href="mailto:pcking@mindspring.com">pcking@mindspring.com> chattanooga, tn USA Tue Mar 14 232542 2000
Thanks to those who defend and support the small boatbuilder We work hard to supply the boats, and parts to keep them up to standards. The reason I am in the Stiletto business is that I love to sail them. I will do nearly anything to make a boat right and a sailor/friend happy. I have been doing it for almost 20 years, and can't think of anything I'd rather do. Let's keep the faith! Ron
Ron Nicol <<a href="mailto:stiletto@gte.net">stiletto@gte.net> Nokomis, FL USA Tue Mar 14 05834 2000
Ditto to what Peter had to say. I do my best to buy from Ron and Andy. I also have taken people out on my boat that were interested in buying a Stiletto. Both of these people have bought boats, not from stiletto but someone else. I do know that they have bought parts and equip. from them. 2 other friends of mine have bought 27's. At the Lake Charles Yacht club in Louisiana we have 5-27s. So do everything you can to help them out. Take people out on your boat and if they are interested, give them Ron and Andy's number.
Glenn
Glenn Richard <<a href="mailto:juscookin@home.com">juscookin@home.com> Baton Rouge, LA USA Mon Mar 13 193445 2000
The melecular disfuntionator in the kilper muder is very dissfunctioned. To have a dissfunctioned kilpereans means sudden death to the umpa lumpa. My family of slave umpas has rercently died frok this disease. To have a group of dead umpas is not good thing for my lupa relations. I would like to know where I can recieve more lumpas, if you have a cure please send that also.
Willis Wonkis <<a href="mailto:umpeelummeee.commeee">umpeelummeee.commeee> umpa lumpa vill, ul wonka Mon May 7 151815 2001
The Stiletto 30' is trailerable, but is much more involved than a 27'. It must be completely debeamed in cradles and loaded with a crane or hoist onto a custom trailer with cradles for each hull and the bridgedeck. The hulls sit at a 45 degree angle with the blister cabins up in the air. It takes us about 4-5 hours to set one up with all the special equipment and experience. If you are planning to do move the boat to different places, I would recommend sticking with the 27'. We have 2 30's available if you are interested let me know. Fair Winds, Ron
Ron Nicol <<a href="mailto:stiletto@gte.net">stiletto@gte.net> Nokomis, FL USA Mon Mar 13 125848 2000
The discussion of manufacturing rights and patents reminds me of the Aesop Fable about the goose that laid the golden eggs. For those of you who haven't read nursery rhymes in a while, the moral of that story is that you can feast on goose once or you can eat eggs for the rest of your life.
We are fortunate to have factory support for a boat that has been out of production for longer than we would like to admit. There is only so much business available in the Stiletto market niche. If people chip away at that business by competing with the factory on high end products, they will reduce the profitability of the factory to the point that they will stop making the other products and go into another business. We will all lose in that scenario.
So why are we having this conversation? Support the people who support you and they will continue to support all of us.
I don't know about you, but I need all the help I can get. I'm glad that the Stiletto Factory is there.
peter c king <<a href="mailto:pcking@mindspring.com">pcking@mindspring.com> chattanooga, tn USA Mon Mar 13 84144 2000
I think our US Patent and Trademark #1541454 is enough to speak for itself. It includes STILETTO sailboats and sailboat accessories, as well as the stylized form which Stiletto is known for. My family has owned the company since 1983, and have devoted most of our time and money to making the highest quality performance catamarans in this country. We take much pride in our work, and if you have any question of that, you need to see what we do before making judgements or questioning our ownership of the rights to STILETTO CATAMARANS. Fair Winds and Good Sailing. Ron
Ron Nicol <<a href="mailto:stiletto@gte.net">stiletto@gte.net> Nokomis, FL USA Sun Mar 12 21804 2000
I have a reacher for a 27' white,orange,red, that does not fit the blue stripes and light blue decks. Need something with blue and white. I got the blues.
William Eriksen <<a href="mailto:montyjbear@aol.com">montyjbear@aol.com> Marco Island, Fl USA Sat Mar 11 110509 2000
Ron - I recently noticed in this forum all the concern about patents and trademarks as it relates to the Stiletto boats, the canopies in particular. I think it would benefit both you (Stiletto Catamarans) and all parties that have any thoughts of obtaining parts from other sources, whether it be someone else or their own shop, to know what patents or trademarks you own. Does Stiletto Catamarans own any patents besides the trademark #1541454? Perhaps you need to let the readers know this information periodically - it may help buiness grow and is something Stiletto Catamarans should be proud of.
Jim Claiss <<a href="mailto:waylr2@theramp.com">waylr2@theramp.com> Chicago, IL USA Fri Mar 10 170717 2000
Hello. I'm sorry to have to ask this question that is not in reguards to your boat. I have been looking for a spinaker pole for a Venture 24 Made by MacGregor. To no prevail.Please if anyone can help me I would be greatly honored.And if you can't May you all have a safe and happy sailing for ever. Thank You Robert Reid
Robert Reid <<a href="mailto:RER8649@aol.com">RER8649@aol.com> Villa Park, il USA Thu Mar 9 193848 2000
The melecular disfuntionator in the kilper muder is very dissfunctioned. To have a dissfunctioned kilpereans means sudden death to the umpa lumpa. My family of slave umpas has rercently died frok this disease. To have a group of dead umpas is not good thing for my lupa relations. I would like to know where I can recieve more lumpas, if you have a cure please send that also.
Willis Wonkis <<a href="mailto:umpeelummeee.commeee">umpeelummeee.commeee> umpa lumpa vill, ul wonka Mon May 7 151659 2001
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1. I would like to know the performance (PERF) rating for a stock stiletto 27 foot.
2. Is ther an effective outhaul system for the jib leads when going off the wind. Is it worthwhile?
3. When is the next stiletto national regatta. I am willing to crew and have 25 years of catamaran sailing experience and two years on a Stiletto. I do not want to trailer my boat from Ontario to Florida to race.
4. I am interested in an auto pilot, what is the best one to use on the 27 foot Stiletto?
Archie Kerr <<a href="mailto:aakerr@attglobal.net">aakerr@attglobal.net>
Sarnia, On Canada
Thu Mar 16 211756 2000